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- I have just met with a man who has been able to substantiate
- certain sections of my MAJIC.TXT. You will all find the
- following text very interesting. In order to confirm his
- knowledge I performed several tests which will you will spot
- in the text. His revelations were not solicited, I merely
- asked him to read the MAJIC.TXT and call me if he wished to
- talk. I met him through friends. This is the text of two
- meetings which I had with him. The first occurred when we
- were introduced. The second occurred on Christmas Eve and
- was the most revealing.
-
-
-
- I attended a Christmas party given by a friend who I have
- known for many years. During the evening my friend took me
- aside and told me that a man was present that he thought I
- should meet. My friend told me that because of the
- information that I had recently released this man might be
- able to give me information. I asked why he thought so?
- My friend told me that the man had been in the Army for 21
- years and was assigned to DELTA SECURITY. I was immediately
- interested and asked to be introduced.
-
- My friend introduced me to a tall, lean, fit man who was in
- his late 60's. I was impressed with his physical fitness.
- His hair was grey and he stood with the bearing of one who
- had spent many years with the military. He was mentally
- sharp and showed no effects of his age.
-
- After we had been introduced I told him that I too had spent
- many years in military service, the Navy. I asked him where
- he had been stationed. He replied that he had spent a lot of
- time in Colorado, Mew Mexico, Nevada, and at Edwards Air
- Force Base. I commented that I thought it strange that an
- Army man would be stationed at Edwards. "Oh, he said, I was
- with Delta Security and we had a lot to do with intra-service
- projects." "We provided security for several services." I
- then asked him if he had ever heard of Project REDLIGHT. His
- eyes narrowed and he seemed uncomfortable. In fact he looked
- around the room as if looking for somewhere else to go. "I
- may have, he replied, but you know from your Navy days that I
- can't discuss what I was involved with." I told him that in
- a way I was involved with it also and then I told him that I
- was with Naval Intelligence for a time. We exchanged small
- talk but clearly he was uncomfortable since my mention of
- REDLIGHT. I excused myself then found my friend again. I
- asked my friend if he still had his copy of my MAJIC.TXT and
- if he did would he get it for me. He left the room and then
- came back and handed me the file.
-
- I waited until I saw that the Ex-Army man was leaving and
- then went out to his car with him. I asked him if he would
- look at something that I would draw. He said yes but really
- had to leave. On the back of the MAJIC.TXT file I drew the
- TRILATERAL insignia. I said nothing. He grabbed the file
- and asked me where I had seen the insignia. I told him I had
- seen it while with Naval Intelligence and asked him if he
- knew what it was. "Yes, he said, it is on a piece of
- equipment. Do you know what the equipment is?" I told him
- that it makes no sound. "You know then what REDLIGHT really
- is, he said." I replied that I did. I told him that the
- papers he held was a file explaining the whole thing and that
- I would like him to read it and then call me if he would be
- willing to talk to me about his experiences. I told him that
- I have never revealed sources and would never reveal him as
- the source of the information. He looked me right in the eye
- and said, "If you even tell anyone about this conversation I
- will call you a liar right to your face." I told him that I
- understood fully. I asked him how long he had known my
- friend. He said he had known him for about 7 years. I told
- him to ask our mutual friend about me so that he would feel
- more comfortable about me. He took the file and left.
-
-
-
-
- A few days later he called me and asked to meet me during the
- day at a local park on Christmas Eve. We arranged the time
- and met at a picnic table at the park.
-
- The first thing that he said was that he never wanted his
- name connected with anything that I ever did or said and that
- he never wanted to see me again after our meeting. I agreed
- to those terms. He then gave me his telephone number and
- asked me to call him if I ever thought that his identity had
- been compromised in any way. I agreed to that also.
-
- I then asked him why he had agreed to talk to me about his
- involvement. "For the same reason that you are talking about
- it, he replied, the whole thing is very grim and it won't get
- better." I asked him if he wanted me to ask questions or if
- he would just like to narrate. He told me to ask questions
- and when I pulled out my tape recorder he told me not to use
- it because voice identification was possible. I knew that
- this was possible and again consented to his terms. I asked
- if I could take notes and he agreed to notes only.
-
- Bill----Where did you see the TRILATERAL INSIGNIA that I drew
- for you at the party and that you saw in my file?
-
- Man-----On a flying saucer that I guarded at Edwards Air
- Force Base. I saw it again on different saucers when
- I was at Area 51 in Nevada....Your file is pretty
- accurate as to what I know....I was surprised by the
- extent of your knowledge.
-
- Bill----I saw some of the information and have other sources.
- That file is the product of 17 years of searching.
- In fact a lot of it came from doing what we are doing
- now, just talking to people. Can you tell me how you
- came to see the saucer at Edwards?
-
- Man-----I was assigned to guard a hanger at Edwards, at the
- time I didn't know what was in it.
-
- Bill----What was the name of the hanger?
-
- Man-----The hanger had no number or name. We called it the
- Delta hanger.
-
- Bill----Can you tell me where it is located?
-
- Man-----It is on the North Base. Its the only hanger off by
- itself and no one is allowed near it without a
- special badge and clearance.
-
- Bill----What does the badge look like?
-
- Man-----It is a red badge with a black triangle on the face
- of it and personal information on the back....like
- any other ID.
-
- Bill----How did you see the saucer?
-
- Man-----The hanger is only entered through one door. Inside
- the door is the guard room. On the other side of the
- guard room is a door that goes into an office. On
- the other side of the office is another door. We
- were not allowed out of the guard room but one night
- the duty officer asked me if I knew what I was
- guarding. I said no that it was not my job to know.
- He asked me if I would like to see. I thought he was
- checking me out and told him it wasn't necessary. He
- motioned for me to follow him and then took me
- through the office and into the hanger. I saw the
- saucer sitting on legs and it seemed to have jacks
- under it also.
-
- Bill----Can you describe it for me?
-
- Man-----It was about 30 feet in diameter, metal but not
- shiny. Like tarnished silver.
-
- Bill----How thick was it?
-
- Man-----About 15 to 18 feet thick.......It had the insignia
- on the underside and again on the top.
-
- Bill----Did you see any openings?
-
- Man-----No but I only saw one side and it was only for about
- 3 or 4 minutes.
-
- Bill----Was it round?
-
- Man-----Oh yes...just like the movies.
-
- Bill----Were there any windows?
-
- Man-----There was what looked to be windows around the raised
- portion but I could not see inside.
-
- Bill----Were they round?
-
- Man-----No, they were rectangular....I also saw a groove
- around the saucer about 4 feet from the edge all the
- way around and it was on the top and bottom. There
- was an area on the bottom that looked like vents or
- louvres.
-
- Bill----What did the Officer say to you?
-
- Man-----Only that he did not show me anything and we went
- back to the guard room then he left.
-
- Bill----Isn't that unusual?
-
- Man-----Everything I did or saw on Delta was unusual. I saw
- people break down and cry for no reason at times.
- When things like that occurred you would never see
- that man again.
-
- Bill----What happened to them?
-
- Man-----I don't know and didn't ask.
-
- Bill----Lets deviate from this for awhile. Do you mind?
-
- Man-----No, I don't.
-
- Bill----How did you get into Delta security?
-
- Man-----I was recruited into the National Recon Organization
- and went to Fort Carson Colorado. After a lot of
- training I was screened for Delta and then assigned
- to Delta.
-
- Bill----Why did they recruit you?
-
- Man-----I was told that it was because I was an orphan. If
- something happens to someone connected to a secret
- project and they have family, the family could
- compromise the project in just trying to find out
- what happened to their loved one.
-
- Bill----Is everyone in Delta orphans?
-
- Man-----Just about, either that or their family died or was
- killed later in life.
-
- Bill----Didn't that bother you? I mean what could be so
- secret that they have to use orphans?
-
- Man-----Some of the things I've seen......The stories...
- especially concerning dreamland....Did you know there
- are bounty hunters connected with dreamland?
-
- Bill----What do you mean?
-
- Man-----If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or pass and
- are not back on time or if someone doesn't come back
- they send bounty hunters after you.......Thats where
- the visitors...you know what I mean... live....there
- is an underground facility.......I don't think I
- should say anymore.....Most of the time I was there I
- can't even remember anyway.....We were supposed to
- talk about Redlight.
-
- Bill----I don't remember agreeing to talk only about
- Redlight....Is this a new condition?
-
- Man-----Yes, I don't want to talk about anything else........
- I will tell you that very strange things happen at
- Dreamland.
-
- Bill----What do you mean when you say you can't remember?
-
- Man-----I can't remember....I really don't want to talk about
- Dreamland.....I won't talk about it.
-
- Bill----Please don't tantalize me. Either talk about it or
- don't but don't do this to me. What else can you say
- about Dreamland? Can you tell me where it is?
-
- Man-----No, I can't talk about it. This is all very
- dangerous and I am married now.....I just can't take
- a chance.
-
- Bill----Ok, tell me about Area 51.
-
- Man-----Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. Its the
- headquarters of Redlight.......The saucers are flown
- there. Its part of the test range...Its on the map..
- its just a dry lake bed with a Top Secret
- installation built on and around it.
-
- Bill----Have you seen one fly?
-
- Man-----Yes, they are incredibly fast and make no noise at
- all.
-
- Bill----Is the one at Area 51 the same as the one at Edwards?
-
- Man-----One was the same....the other one I saw looks like a
- diamond.......like in a womans engagement ring.....if
- you take the diamond out of a ring and turn it upside
- down......thats what it looks like.
-
- Bill----You mean literally like a diamond?
-
- Man-----No, but the shape is the same.....it really
- glows....but only when it flys. On the ground it is
- the same metal as the saucer at Edwards....when it
- flys it glows like the sun and sometimes changes
- colors.
-
- Bill----How close were you when you saw it?
-
- Man-----Not close...no one was allowed to get close....
- I think it emmitted radiation because we were all
- required to wear dosimeters and they had to be
- checked daily.
-
- Bill----You mean it was atomic powered?
-
- Man-----I don't know.....I only know there was a definate
- radiation hazard and our dosimeters were checked
- daily. We turned them in to be checked and were
- issued new ones every day.
-
- Bill----How long did you stay at Area 51?
-
- Man-----The first time was for 3 months....Nobody ever stayed
- more than a few months. The second time I was there
- was for almost 5 months.....its like wartime there
- were no passes while at Area 51....we had excellent
- recreation facilitys though.
-
- Bill----I hate to press you but I would like to know more
- about Dreamland. My information seems to conflict
- with yours. I have information that the Alien base
- is in New Mexico, is that where Dreamland is?
-
- Man-----There is more than one base and I have to go now....
- I should not be talking to you about anything at all.
- Its all too dangerous....even more than you
- think.....I don't know everything but I know that its
- way out of control and to tell you the truth I'm
- afraid of what is going to happen.....Don't ask me
- what because I don't know but........I know something
- is going to happen.......Giant underground shelters
- are being built under Groom Lake.....and in other
- places. From reading your papers you know more about
- a lot of this than I do.....I really do have to go
- now....Its Christmas Eve and I live a ways off.
-
- Bill----Before you go would you look over these notes and
- make sure they're right?
-
- Man-----I watched you write and its right. What are you
- going to do with those notes?
-
- Bill----I'll make a file and release this in the form of an
- interview without identifying you.
-
- Man-----If you do I'll call you a liar.
-
- Bill----I won't identify you and just so you will feel better
- I have never identified any of my sources. If you
- ever want to talk again you have my phone number.
-
- Man-----I don't think so....you had better be real careful...
- I mean about yourself....I really wouldn't give
- anyone else those notes....You should think about it.
-
- Bill----What do you think will happen?
-
- Man-----The same thing that has happened to ......some others
- .......you should just drop it.....you....nobody can
- do anything.
-
-
- The rest was just parting conversation. He seemed to be very
- sincere and very worried about what he was telling and
- worried about my safety as well as his own.
-
- This is the second person who has described a saucer at
- Edwards, the same security badge, and reference to Dreamland
- keeps coming up with these people. This is the first time I
- have heard that there is more than one alien base and it is
- the first time I have heard of bounty hunters. I think the
- reference to a radiation hazard and the use of dosemeters is
- also significant in view of the incident in Texas involving
- the two women. John Lear told me that Dreamland was at
- Edwards. Personally I do not know the location. Just the
- name "DREAMLAND" is so far away from the normal military
- trend of naming projects and places that it provokes
- questions. I would like to point out that at one point my
- sources told me the alien base was at Dreamland then they
- told me it wasn't true and backed away from it. The name
- keeps cropping up in connection with the alien base.
- Reference to loss of memory is also common with abductees. I
- found this interview to be personally disturbing.
-
- Where possible I wrote down the questions and answers and
- those are written exactly as asked and as answered. At some
- points the conversation is reconstructed from my notes but
- was done as soon as I arrived home and I am certain that it
- is accurate. Having just met this man I have no clue as to
- his motives or to the accuracy of the information. However I
- do believe he was sincere and the range of emotions he
- expressed would have been difficult for even a very good
- professional actor.
-
- (NOTE! A "dosemeter" is (or was when I was in service) a
- piece of film in a small badge that is worn by personnel when
- working in areas where they may be exposed to radiation.
- If the film is hit by a dose of radiation it is exposed. The
- amount of film exposure determines the exact dose of
- radiation. When I was in the Strategic Air Command I had to
- wear one because the alert pad aircraft carried nuclear
- weapons. Our dosemeters were checked weekly. If the
- dosemeter indicated that you had been exposed to radiation
- then you had to go through a decontamination procedure.
- During my time in service my dosemeter never indicated any
- exposure to radiation. This explanation is offered for those
- of you who may not have known what a dosemeter is.)
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